tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7097033604952595098.post6566630232001597339..comments2023-04-08T04:38:01.926-05:00Comments on The Book of Gorman: Should the Brewers Rebuild or Attempt a Run Next Year?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14344163045009894571noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7097033604952595098.post-19635865255888917912013-07-10T23:47:03.284-05:002013-07-10T23:47:03.284-05:00Braun is aging but he's a five tool player, we...Braun is aging but he's a five tool player, well four really but who cares about his arm, and those age well. He might never again reach the peaks of the last two years but he has a chance to be well above average his entire career.<br /><br />Gomez is gone after 3 years and Tyrone Taylor should be ready to take over when he's gone if not before. I'm not sure how you could think a 19 year old in his first time through full season ball with a 296/365/456 slash line, 8 home runs, 15 stolen bases, .377 wOBA, and 131 wRC+ in just 80 games played, that projects to play center field "IS AT BEST [A] LEAGUE AVERAGE PLAYER."<br /><br />If you think Lucroy is simply a league average player you don't understand his entire game. He might never have an all-star bat and guys are going to be able to run on him a bit, but his pitch framing ability is second to none. Don't underestimate that. He can make a good pitcher great by extending the zone down...by a lot.<br /><br />You have a misunderstanding of the word "ceiling." That or your assessment of certain players is, to put it kindly, pessimistic. Every single one of those pitchers has the "ceiling" of a mid-rotation pitcher. They may never reach their "ceiling" but they have the talent to. It's just a matter of putting it all together.<br /><br />People like to say the draft was mismanaged and that Seid/Melvin are awful but they love to forget that Carlos Rodon(next year's early consensus top pick) and Dylan Covey were draft but went unsigned and that Jungmann and Bradley were highly thought of by the entire industry. People also seem to expect quick returns on drafts and that's just not how it works. It takes several years for most draftees to make a major league roster. Jungmann and Bradley have been underwhelming if not entirely disappointing thus far, but there is still plenty of time to turn it around for them. Last year's draft saw several promising fielders/bats enter the system and at least Haniger and Taylor are doing quite well. Coulter and Roache are projects but if they can reach their potential they're going to be exciting players. You're just going to have to be patient. Even then, every single one of these guys are going to see time in the majors before, some well before, 2018.Derek Harvey (@D_J_Harvey on Twitter)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03289328766995438175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7097033604952595098.post-45795067187718028062013-07-08T12:58:45.809-05:002013-07-08T12:58:45.809-05:00The problem with your post is that Braun is aging,...The problem with your post is that Braun is aging, and although still should be an all star level player, will regress. Gomez is gone in 2 years, Segura is at his peak this season though shoudl still be a very nice player, and Lucroy is always going to be a league average player. You have that core right now, and with the horrible pitching this is what you get.<br /><br />The pitching in the farm system is not good, at all. It's made up of a bunch of back end of the rotation starters and guys who will wind up in the bullpen. peralta will be the best of the group. Hellwig will be an 8th inning guy, Thornburg will be a closer, Estrada is a replacement level player. And Nelson and Jungmann's ceilings are as lower level rotation guys.<br /><br />And btw, all of the Tyrone Taylor talk, it's overblown, at best he will be a league average player, nothing to get worked up about.<br /><br />They have talent yes, but its more in line with league average talent, or worse. And its all because of the mismanagement of the draft by Seid/Melvin and the financial mismanagement when it comes to Free Agents (Attanasio)<br /><br />I will put down $100 that says it will be AT LEAST until 2018 that this team reaches competitiveness again. (Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7097033604952595098.post-54747509092043477762013-07-05T17:05:40.992-05:002013-07-05T17:05:40.992-05:00I disagree. Brewers have Braun, Gomez, Segura, and...I disagree. Brewers have Braun, Gomez, Segura, and Lucroy through 2016 at least. That's a solid offensive core to build around. Tyrone Taylor may be ready to take over CF right around the time Gomez's contract is up. Haniger may be ready to man RF by 2015. Third base, second base, and first base are going to be the major offensive holes to fill. It's possible Francisco, Gennett, and Morris may be viable options until the more promising prospects are ready around 2015/2016/2017. They have Peralta, Hellweg, Nelson, Jungmann, Thornburg, and Estrada. That's a pretty solid core of mid rotational talent that will be ready soon. Some next year, some in 2015, and the rest by 2016. The one thing they're truly lacking is a true frontline starter. Peralta and Hellweg has the potential, but it's more likely they're solid number 3s. It's possible Devin Williams becomes a number 2 but he's further away than the rest of them. The Brewer are in an interesting spot right now. They have talent, it's just closer to average or slightly above than to all-star levels. And that's just what they have now. They might be able to find that impact positional player or frontline starter through trades or if they're lucky, in the draft or international in the next year or two. But remember, you don't need to have an all-star at every position to make the playoffs.Derek Harvey (@D_J_Harvey on Twitter)https://www.blogger.com/profile/03289328766995438175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7097033604952595098.post-34852816277102859202013-07-05T10:56:57.965-05:002013-07-05T10:56:57.965-05:00I agree that a full rebuild is in the best interes...I agree that a full rebuild is in the best interest of the team long term. But it wont be for 2015 or 2016, it will be for 2018 or later, and that is only if it's done correctly.<br /><br />The short of it is that Doug Melvin should not be the one handling the rebuild. His management (helped by Attanasio's short sighted view owning the team) has led directly to what is happening this year, as well as the state of the farm system. A house cleaning and rebuild is in order. <br /><br />The only bright spot here that separates the 2013 Brewers from the late 90's/early 00's Brewers is that the team has Ryan Braun and Jean Segura on hand (btw, Segura WILL regress, he will be good going forward, just not this good).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com